You are upset because you can’t respond.

If you can’t do any of the above, then go on about your business in Texas and kindly stop filling my blog up with your reactionary gibberish.

I wasn’t agreeing with you, or even suggesting that you had a good point. I was in fact pointing out the shaky nature of the point you are making as it relates to your own expression of faith. If there are other ways to think about the Garden then they are speculative at best, and non-biblical at worst. Are your arguments typically without biblical precedence? I bet not. So, why then are we even having this conversation? Show me in your bible where there is something said about utopia being limited to the Garden of Eden? Incidentally, I have no problem with referencing non-biblical suggestions, but I’m betting that you do have a problem with it. Yours may be a situational problem, but citing non-biblical support is a problem for you, I’m betting. So, why are you trying to do so here?

Further, if the Judeo-Christian story was built upon the idea of utopia being limited to the garden while the rest of the world was “fallen” we have even more/bigger theological problems to deal with, if our goal is Orthodoxy. You can’t see the issues here? Really?

Also, my hair-style should be the least of your concerns. And my reaction to your calling other people’s faith dumb while you simultaneously misspelled “dumber” wasn’t so much an ad hominem as it was a celebration of cosmic irony.

PS: If the scenario I put forward is, as you say, “so old and cliche,” you would think that you would have a better, more sensible answer worked out for it already. Right? I’m honestly not trying to be silly; I am asking you to search deeper than you think you have.

My point about the dead presidents is that they are events that are considered solid historical facts.

Your ad hominem of my spelling is the tone of your Christianity. Your writing points again to the EM movement as being dominated by old liberal that has wasted a many Christian institutions into nothingness. Your all trendy with the messed up hair look. Trend is your substance. Your thinking isn’t something new. The Church has dealt time and time again with people that are in it, but really are there to destroy it. Again, you tone is malicious in nature and smells strongly of the past fifty years of deconstuctionism.

Um. No. I don’t know if utopia was limited to the Garden … and you don’t either. I’m not sure that you would want to find out if it was limited because if you could somehow find out if utopia was limited to the Garden, and the rest of the world was already “fallen,” or even “created fallen,” then you would have very, very serious theological issues to tend to, at least if you wanted to keep your present faith expression intact.

Ann, you wrote, “Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. JFK was shot through the head. Christ returned from the dead. Adam was kicked out of the Garden. At some point a Christian must recognize that SUPERnatural events occur, or your faith is dummer than sh**. If Christ has not been raised from the dead, then _______ you can fill in the blank.”

Are you suggesting that presidential assassinations are supernatural events ala Christ’s resurrection from the dead? I’m not following you, at all. Also, if you are going to point at others and say that their faith is, and I quote, “dummer than shit,” then please, for the love of zeus, spell “DUMB” correctly. You sound ridiculous.

Ann, you wrote, “It isn’t a far jump to go from Christ’s supernatural resurrection to Ademic perfection beliefs. Stop trying to deconstruct your brother’s faith, or you just might be a heritic.”

It’s spelled HERETIC. And I may just be one, if being one means being different from you. I’ll let you make that determination.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. JFK was shot through the head. Christ returned from the dead. Adam was kicked out of the Garden. At some point a Christian must recognize that SUPERnatural events occur, or your faith is dummer than sh**. If Christ has not been raised from the dead, then _______ you can fill in the blank.

It isn’t a far jump to go from Christ’s supernatural resurrection to Ademic perfection beliefs. Stop trying to deconstruct your brother’s faith, or you just might be a heritic.

Again, sorry! We were talking about two different “namings.”

Man is actually adamah (Adam)…not ish (taken out of man) so ishah (shall be called woman) could be considered less a name than a recognition of substance. Eve only became her name in 3:20.

Only in their ignorance…God is also a helper but no one would consider him subordinate to man, except in our most prideful moments. Woman was not “named” by Man until after the account of the Fall so the hierarchial mindset appears to be a result of sin…

Anyway, good thoughts. I don’t know what the answers are, but interesting stuff to gnaw on.