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		<title>By: A. Amos Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Amos Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn

Is it &quot;Church Planting?&quot; 
Or is it really &quot;Corporation Planting?&quot;
Or &quot;Denomination Planting?&quot;

Can’t seem to find “church planting” in the Bible.

Did Jesus ask &quot;His disciples&quot; to &quot;plant churches?&quot;

When you hear words that are not in the Bible?
don’t you wonder why we use them?
and where they came from?

Isn’t it challenge enough understanding?
the truth of the words that are written?
How much harder word&#039;s that we make up?

Doesn’t the Bible warn us about;

The commandments of men?

The doctrines of men?

The philosophies of men?

The traditions of men
that make the Word of God
of non effect?

Making the word of God of none effect 
through your tradition...
Mark 7:13

Hmmm? A simple word, &quot;church?&quot;
What do most people understand 
the word “church” to mean?

Building with a steeple on it? 
Is that in the Bible?

Pastor in a pulpit preaching to people in pews?
Is that in the Bible?

That’s what the world thinks, the unbeliever, isn’t it?

Isn’t that what the so called “local church plants” 
has accomplished with four buildings on 
four corners in a lot of “local towns?”

Haven&#039;t we deceived the people 
we’re supposed to be reaching out to?

How many will know that “The Church of God?”
The ekklesia of God? The called out one’s of God?

Are the habitation of God?

The redeemed of the Lord?

The body of Christ?

The Israel of God?

And Jesus is the head of the body, &quot;the Church?&quot;

Does God dwell in buildings made with 
the hands of men? Or does He dwell in people?

Did Jesus shed His blood for; 
a building, a denomination,
an institution, an organization, a corporation?

Should &quot;disciples of Christ&quot; call a corporation, &quot;The Church?&quot; ;-)
The IRS does. Oy Vey!!!

Will people know that “The Church of God?”

Are kings and priests unto God?

The bride of Christ?

The servants of Christ?

The sons of God? 
Led by the spirit? - Or led by man?

Disciples of Christ? 
Learners and students of Christ?

Ambassadors for Christ?

How many will know, in the Bible, 
no one ever went &quot;to church?&quot;

How many will know, in the Bible, 
you become “the Church?”

And hear His voice? And follow Him?

Out of heaven he made thee to hear &quot;his voice,&quot;
that he might instruct thee.
Deuteronomy 4:36

And other sheep I have, 
which are not of this fold: 
them also I must bring, 
and they shall hear &quot;my voice;&quot; 
and there shall be one fold, 
and one shepherd. 
John 10:16

One Fold - One Shepherd - One Voice.

If Not Now, When?

In His Service. By His Grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn</p>
<p>Is it &#8220;Church Planting?&#8221;<br />
Or is it really &#8220;Corporation Planting?&#8221;<br />
Or &#8220;Denomination Planting?&#8221;</p>
<p>Can’t seem to find “church planting” in the Bible.</p>
<p>Did Jesus ask &#8220;His disciples&#8221; to &#8220;plant churches?&#8221;</p>
<p>When you hear words that are not in the Bible?<br />
don’t you wonder why we use them?<br />
and where they came from?</p>
<p>Isn’t it challenge enough understanding?<br />
the truth of the words that are written?<br />
How much harder word&#8217;s that we make up?</p>
<p>Doesn’t the Bible warn us about;</p>
<p>The commandments of men?</p>
<p>The doctrines of men?</p>
<p>The philosophies of men?</p>
<p>The traditions of men<br />
that make the Word of God<br />
of non effect?</p>
<p>Making the word of God of none effect<br />
through your tradition&#8230;<br />
Mark 7:13</p>
<p>Hmmm? A simple word, &#8220;church?&#8221;<br />
What do most people understand<br />
the word “church” to mean?</p>
<p>Building with a steeple on it?<br />
Is that in the Bible?</p>
<p>Pastor in a pulpit preaching to people in pews?<br />
Is that in the Bible?</p>
<p>That’s what the world thinks, the unbeliever, isn’t it?</p>
<p>Isn’t that what the so called “local church plants”<br />
has accomplished with four buildings on<br />
four corners in a lot of “local towns?”</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t we deceived the people<br />
we’re supposed to be reaching out to?</p>
<p>How many will know that “The Church of God?”<br />
The ekklesia of God? The called out one’s of God?</p>
<p>Are the habitation of God?</p>
<p>The redeemed of the Lord?</p>
<p>The body of Christ?</p>
<p>The Israel of God?</p>
<p>And Jesus is the head of the body, &#8220;the Church?&#8221;</p>
<p>Does God dwell in buildings made with<br />
the hands of men? Or does He dwell in people?</p>
<p>Did Jesus shed His blood for;<br />
a building, a denomination,<br />
an institution, an organization, a corporation?</p>
<p>Should &#8220;disciples of Christ&#8221; call a corporation, &#8220;The Church?&#8221; ;-)<br />
The IRS does. Oy Vey!!!</p>
<p>Will people know that “The Church of God?”</p>
<p>Are kings and priests unto God?</p>
<p>The bride of Christ?</p>
<p>The servants of Christ?</p>
<p>The sons of God?<br />
Led by the spirit? &#8211; Or led by man?</p>
<p>Disciples of Christ?<br />
Learners and students of Christ?</p>
<p>Ambassadors for Christ?</p>
<p>How many will know, in the Bible,<br />
no one ever went &#8220;to church?&#8221;</p>
<p>How many will know, in the Bible,<br />
you become “the Church?”</p>
<p>And hear His voice? And follow Him?</p>
<p>Out of heaven he made thee to hear &#8220;his voice,&#8221;<br />
that he might instruct thee.<br />
Deuteronomy 4:36</p>
<p>And other sheep I have,<br />
which are not of this fold:<br />
them also I must bring,<br />
and they shall hear &#8220;my voice;&#8221;<br />
and there shall be one fold,<br />
and one shepherd.<br />
John 10:16</p>
<p>One Fold &#8211; One Shepherd &#8211; One Voice.</p>
<p>If Not Now, When?</p>
<p>In His Service. By His Grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Scott Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Scott Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn,

I have decided that the &quot;unifying vision of the religious imagination&quot; you are in search of is the Kingdom of God.  It is the rule, or Administration of Jesus Christ in the here-and-now on earth.  When and where Jesus reigns &quot;spirituality, religion, culture and social issues&quot;--of which you write--are fully embraced, cleansed, redeemed and transformed from within, by Christ Himself.  I would also add to that list even the more righteous elements of America&#039;s of Rebulicans and Democrats.  &quot;New life forms&#039;, so to speak, come alive.  All is transcended.  Satan&#039;s authority is removed, and life as it should be blossoms.  Everything changes.  It is not unlike what happens in revivals or awakenings.  And it most clearly demonstrated when cultures, previously untouched by the gospel, receive it and go forward in it.

Consider this as well--not even the Kingdom of God can fully describe everthing that is in Christ Himself.  The Kingdom is Christ Present, but Christ is actually even greater than the presence of His rule.  and so ultimately--and unfathomably--Christ is unifying, first Principle of all that is--and should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,</p>
<p>I have decided that the &#8220;unifying vision of the religious imagination&#8221; you are in search of is the Kingdom of God.  It is the rule, or Administration of Jesus Christ in the here-and-now on earth.  When and where Jesus reigns &#8220;spirituality, religion, culture and social issues&#8221;&#8211;of which you write&#8211;are fully embraced, cleansed, redeemed and transformed from within, by Christ Himself.  I would also add to that list even the more righteous elements of America&#8217;s of Rebulicans and Democrats.  &#8220;New life forms&#8217;, so to speak, come alive.  All is transcended.  Satan&#8217;s authority is removed, and life as it should be blossoms.  Everything changes.  It is not unlike what happens in revivals or awakenings.  And it most clearly demonstrated when cultures, previously untouched by the gospel, receive it and go forward in it.</p>
<p>Consider this as well&#8211;not even the Kingdom of God can fully describe everthing that is in Christ Himself.  The Kingdom is Christ Present, but Christ is actually even greater than the presence of His rule.  and so ultimately&#8211;and unfathomably&#8211;Christ is unifying, first Principle of all that is&#8211;and should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitry T. Baylor-Nard</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-23693</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitry T. Baylor-Nard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...I have accomplished all on the list...It is amazing to hear somebody say...what I have wanted to say...and for someone to understand where I am coming from...I want to quit...but my faith just will not fail...Because Christ is praying for us.  

Again...wow...By the way, where are african-american church planters...I am one...but I don&#039;t meet alot of them...most of them have churches given to them...I had that option in Shreveport, LA...but God decided otherwise and I am in New Orleans, LA...go figure...Praise be unto God...I need some church planter friends that I can tell them inside jokes and plans...you can find me on twitter and facebook.  Peace and keep fighting planters...God will reward...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;I have accomplished all on the list&#8230;It is amazing to hear somebody say&#8230;what I have wanted to say&#8230;and for someone to understand where I am coming from&#8230;I want to quit&#8230;but my faith just will not fail&#8230;Because Christ is praying for us.  </p>
<p>Again&#8230;wow&#8230;By the way, where are african-american church planters&#8230;I am one&#8230;but I don&#8217;t meet alot of them&#8230;most of them have churches given to them&#8230;I had that option in Shreveport, LA&#8230;but God decided otherwise and I am in New Orleans, LA&#8230;go figure&#8230;Praise be unto God&#8230;I need some church planter friends that I can tell them inside jokes and plans&#8230;you can find me on twitter and facebook.  Peace and keep fighting planters&#8230;God will reward&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter L. Riquelme</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-20649</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter L. Riquelme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dont mind I took the liberty of adapting the above list. I think my Church Planting Vision Team will enjoy it. 

10 things to think about before beginning a church plant

1. It’s harder than you think. So don’t start without realizing that it’s impossible for you to succeed. However, nothing is impossible for G-d.

2. Its more fun than you think it’s going to be. Enjoy the process of beginning a work for G-d’s glory. Remember, if you fail its ok G-d still loves you and His grace is sufficient for you.

3. There are people who don’t want you to succeed. Identify these people and ignore them.

4. There are people who desperately want to you to succeed. Identify these people and seek them out …

5. It is not easy to figure out who are #3 people and who are #4 people.

6. Don’t let the weather discourage you, just grab a hot chocolate or cappuccino and start preaching people out of hell. 

7. You will always schedule a meeting that no one will show up for. Take the opportunity to pray and study the bible. 

8. This is not your church plant its G-d’s.  

9. Remember you will always find people who don’t have the chutzpah to leave their spiritually dead churches. Some people enjoy the company of zombies. 

10. Don’t take anything personally. People will come and go.  Some will be committed and others will simply die insignificant lives.  

Rev. Dr. Peter L. Riquelme
Church Planter/Senior Elder
Grace Community Chapel
Brooklyn New York</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dont mind I took the liberty of adapting the above list. I think my Church Planting Vision Team will enjoy it. </p>
<p>10 things to think about before beginning a church plant</p>
<p>1. It’s harder than you think. So don’t start without realizing that it’s impossible for you to succeed. However, nothing is impossible for G-d.</p>
<p>2. Its more fun than you think it’s going to be. Enjoy the process of beginning a work for G-d’s glory. Remember, if you fail its ok G-d still loves you and His grace is sufficient for you.</p>
<p>3. There are people who don’t want you to succeed. Identify these people and ignore them.</p>
<p>4. There are people who desperately want to you to succeed. Identify these people and seek them out …</p>
<p>5. It is not easy to figure out who are #3 people and who are #4 people.</p>
<p>6. Don’t let the weather discourage you, just grab a hot chocolate or cappuccino and start preaching people out of hell. </p>
<p>7. You will always schedule a meeting that no one will show up for. Take the opportunity to pray and study the bible. </p>
<p>8. This is not your church plant its G-d’s.  </p>
<p>9. Remember you will always find people who don’t have the chutzpah to leave their spiritually dead churches. Some people enjoy the company of zombies. </p>
<p>10. Don’t take anything personally. People will come and go.  Some will be committed and others will simply die insignificant lives.  </p>
<p>Rev. Dr. Peter L. Riquelme<br />
Church Planter/Senior Elder<br />
Grace Community Chapel<br />
Brooklyn New York</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-19584</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Val: &quot;Toilet boys?&quot; Seriously? You couldn&#039;t ignore the need to interact with a post you didn&#039;t like, eh? I should just tell you to move on, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, but, like you, I can&#039;t resist the need to say ... something.

Actually, I&#039;ll say five things:

#1: I didn&#039;t right the article I referenced, so your plural use of the word &quot;boys&quot; is misguided.

#2: I don&#039;t believe the author of the aforementioned article is a boy. So, you shouldn&#039;t refer to him as such.

#3: Both of us are already planting churches.

#4: Lighten up a bit. It will be good for you and the Gospel you are most likely smothering to death.

#5: Have a great day. Seriously. I mean it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Val: &#8220;Toilet boys?&#8221; Seriously? You couldn&#8217;t ignore the need to interact with a post you didn&#8217;t like, eh? I should just tell you to move on, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, but, like you, I can&#8217;t resist the need to say &#8230; something.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ll say five things:</p>
<p>#1: I didn&#8217;t right the article I referenced, so your plural use of the word &#8220;boys&#8221; is misguided.</p>
<p>#2: I don&#8217;t believe the author of the aforementioned article is a boy. So, you shouldn&#8217;t refer to him as such.</p>
<p>#3: Both of us are already planting churches.</p>
<p>#4: Lighten up a bit. It will be good for you and the Gospel you are most likely smothering to death.</p>
<p>#5: Have a great day. Seriously. I mean it.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-19581</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you, toilet boys, need your mouths washed out before you try planting &quot;churches&quot;. Sucks? ass? screwed? Grow up. The world can say a lot worse than that. Who needs your little pale vanilla attempts at relevance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you, toilet boys, need your mouths washed out before you try planting &#8220;churches&#8221;. Sucks? ass? screwed? Grow up. The world can say a lot worse than that. Who needs your little pale vanilla attempts at relevance?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-18457</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are busy preparing to plant a church in RSA ! Please pray . Thanks and God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are busy preparing to plant a church in RSA ! Please pray . Thanks and God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: joey</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-17401</link>
		<dc:creator>joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks bro! I&#039;ll be back. Good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bro! I&#8217;ll be back. Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Anthony</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-17396</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Joey! Thanks for stopping by. Your blog is great, BTW. I&#039;ve never seen it before, but will be back regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Joey! Thanks for stopping by. Your blog is great, BTW. I&#8217;ve never seen it before, but will be back regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: joey</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-17393</link>
		<dc:creator>joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great reminder to keep it real and stay focused. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great reminder to keep it real and stay focused. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Anthony</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-16044</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jonathan! Encouragement and prayers to you and your plant as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jonathan! Encouragement and prayers to you and your plant as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Greene</title>
		<link>http://lofitribe.com/10-reasons-why-church-planting-sucks/#comment-16043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the faith, bro.  We&#039;re nine years into our little church planting venture and we still have struggles.  Still, God is the author and finisher of our faith, and the daily blessings we receive are almost too much to handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the faith, bro.  We&#8217;re nine years into our little church planting venture and we still have struggles.  Still, God is the author and finisher of our faith, and the daily blessings we receive are almost too much to handle.</p>
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